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Showing posts with label aircraft. Show all posts

Sunday, 13 October 2024

How high can you hear planes flying? (They don't generally fly above 41,000 feet anyway)

tl;dr: The exact answer is currently unknown (to me), possibly it is untestable (as aircraft have a flight ceiling so would not normally go above a certain height anyway). Possibly it can be modelled (but not by me!).

41,000 feet = 7.7 miles
18,000 feet = 3.4 miles


A large jet aircraft flying overhead at 41,000 feet is perfectly audible from the ground - but it helps if it's otherwise reasonably quiet outside. Few large jets seem to fly much above 39,000 feet so I'm not sure if this is a common occurrence. I only ever check to see what's flying above me when I hear it so it's technically possible that the sound from a higher-flying large jet wouldn't be able to reach me (and so I wouldn't know that they're there) but I don't think they fly much higher than 41,000 feet as that seems to be their comfortable limit. 

Edit: 4 June 2025 - one of the Dassault Falcons has a ceiling of 51,000 feet but I doubt I'd be able to hear it at that distance. (pronounced Dasseau not Dasalt)

FlightRadar24 and ADS-B Exchange both colour code information about the height of a plane into their live maps. With FR24 the aircraft icons are the same colour but clicking on any shows its previous route and the colour changes (e.g. white is on the ground then it goes yellow as it starts to climb). ADS-B colours the aircraft icon so you can see at a glance if planes are coloured a vibrant pinky purple (those are going over at 45,000 feet). The ones going over at that height are generally the business jet types, much smaller and quieter than the bigger jetliners. 

FlightRadar24 tracking an ATR-72-600 arriving at Heathrow. Zooming out shows the change in colour (darker blue = higher, paler green = lower) throughout its flight from the Isle of Man. All aircraft icons are the same yellow colour.

 
ADS-B Exchange showing the same flight. The colour of the plane's icon indicates that it's travelling at around 3,000 feet and the green in the path trail behind it shows that it was previously higher. The pinkish aircraft near top left heading North was travelling at around 36,000 feet.

If a massive jetliner were able to fly over at 45,000 would I be able to hear it? Or 60,000 feet? (Assuming optimal conditions such as late at night when other ground noise is quieter and fewer other aircraft, air temperature etc). At the moment I don't know but of course it's moot as they just don't seem to fly that high. So 41,000 is the practical limit for aircraft I'm likely to hear.

Some military jets do fly much higher but they don't seem to be doing much of it over London where I am so I can't assess how audible they are.

Not that I've been keeping records or anything... but two aircraft that I've heard at 41,000 were Boeing 747-8R7F Cargolux (on 8 Feb 2024) and an Airbus A330-243 (21 May 2024). A week apart in May 2022 I heard two Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner going over at 39,000 feet and in June that year heard a Boeing 747-4R7F going over at 35,000.

My favourite aircraft to hear have propellers. These usually fly over between 18,000 and 25,000 feet and are very audible for a longer period of time (they're flying more slowly than the massive jets so take longer to pass). I've heard several of my beloved Hercules* C-130s going over up to 25,000 feet and the Airbus A400M Atlas going over at 19,000 feet. Another favourite is the Antonov fleet and I get the An-26B and An-12B going over at 19,000 to 21,000 feet - they are super loud (famously so, go and have a listen on YouTube).

*The Royal Air Force has swapped from Hercules to Airbus A400M Atlas though I don't have the audio acuity to be able to tell which is which by sound (possibly I could if I heard them in quick succession). So no more RAF Hercs going over but USA, Canada, Saudi and other militaries are still using them and so they do regularly appear in our airspace. Hooray!


Thursday, 1 July 2021

Film quiz - "Match the aircraft to the film it appears in" edition with answers

Here are the answers (below) to an earlier post called Film quiz - "Match the aircraft to the film it appears in" edition. 

Note that some aircraft are ‘acting’ as well (eg in one film a Yakovlev Yak-52TW was modified to resemble a Supermarine Spitfire, but this is listed here as the intended Spitfire) or CGI and other sneakery might be used. Information is correct according to the internet; I welcome arguments :) 

First, the original quiz questions

Match the aircraft to the film it's in

Number and film

Letter

Letter and aircraft

1. The Silence of the Lambs


A. Bell UH-1 Iroquois 'Huey' helicopter

2. Jurassic World 


B. Supermarine Spitfire 

3. The Dam Busters


C. Thurston TSC-1A Teal 

4. Quantum of Solace


D. Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress bomber

5. Apocalypse Now


E. Boeing 707

6. North By Northwest


F.  Douglas DC-3

7. Independence Day


G. Avro Lancaster B.VII

8. Memphis Belle


H. Grumman F-14 Tomcat

9. Mission: Impossible - Rogue Nation


I.  Airbus A320-214

10. Airplane!


J. Boeing-Stearman Model 75

  PT-17 (Kaydet)

11. The Wicker Man


K. Lockheed C-130 ‘Hercules’

12. Dunkirk


L. Airbus Helicopters H130

13. Top Gun


M. Naval Aircraft Factory N3N Canary &
a Boeing-Stearman Model 75 (Kaydet)

14. Sully: Miracle on the Hudson


N. Airbus A400M Atlas

 

And now, for the answers...

Here's the Google Docs version.

Answers

1K, 2L, 3G, 4F, 5A, 6M, 7J, 8D, 9N, 10E, 11C, 12B, 13H, 14I

More detailed version in the table below.


Number and film

Answer (Letter and aircraft)

1. The Silence of the Lambs

K. Lockheed C-130 ‘Hercules’

2. Jurassic World 

L. Airbus Helicopters H130

3. The Dam Busters

G. Avro Lancaster B.VII

4. Quantum of Solace

F.  Douglas DC-3

5. Apocalypse Now

A. Bell UH-1 Iroquois 'Huey' helicopter

6. North By Northwest

M. Naval Aircraft Factory N3N Canary &
a Boeing-Stearman Model 75 (Kaydet)

7. Independence Day

J. Boeing-Stearman Model 75 PT-17 (Kaydet)

8. Memphis Belle

D. Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress bomber

9. Mission: Impossible - Rogue Nation

N. Airbus A400M Atlas

10. Airplane!

E. Boeing 707

11. The Wicker Man

C. Thurston TSC-1A Teal 

12. Dunkirk

B. Supermarine Spitfire 

13. Top Gun

H. Grumman F-14 Tomcat

14. Sully: Miracle on the Hudson

I.  Airbus A320-214


Evidence, with which you are welcome to disagree
because it mostly comes from Wikipedia :)

1. The Silence of the Lambs - Lockheed C-130 ‘Hercules’ 
https://www.146aw.ang.af.mil/News-Photos/News/Article/448858/a-little-bit-of-hollywood-lands-in-the-desert/

Other aircraft in this film: https://www.impdb.org/index.php?title=The_Silence_of_the_Lambs

2. Jurassic World - Airbus Helicopters H130
https://jurassicpark.fandom.com/wiki/JW001
https://verticalmag.com/news/jurassiccopter/  made from a modified Eurocopter EC130 B4

3. The Dam Busters - Avro Lancaster B.VII
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dam_Busters_(film)#Production

4. Quantum of Solace - Douglas DC-3
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_of_Solace

5. Apocalypse Now - Bell UH-1 Iroquois 'Huey' helicopter
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_UH-1_Iroquois

6. North By Northwest - Naval Aircraft Factory N3N Canary and Boeing-Stearman Model 75 (Kaydet)
“An iconic movie image is a Stearman cropduster chasing Cary Grant across a field in North by Northwest (the airplane that chased Grant was actually a Naval Aircraft Factory N3N Canary; the plane that hits the truck is a Stearman). [citation needed]”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing-Stearman_Model_75

7. Independence Day - Boeing-Stearman Model 75 PT-17 (Kaydet)
https://www.answers.com/Q/What_sort_of_plane_was_the_crop_duster_in_independence_day_movie
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing-Stearman_Model_75
https://independenceday.fandom.com/wiki/Russell_Casse

8. Memphis Belle - Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress bomber
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memphis_Belle_(aircraft)

9. Mission: Impossible - Rogue Nation - Airbus A400M Atlas
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus_A400M_Atlas
https://www.airspacemag.com/daily-planet/tom-cruise-hitches-ride-side-airbus-a400m-emmission-impossible-rogue-nationem-180954805/

10. Airplane! - Boeing 707
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080339/trivia

11. The Wicker Man - Thurston TSC-1A Teal
https://www.flightsim.com/vbfs/showthread.php?201463-Plane-used-in-the-1973-quot-Wicker-Man-quot
https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/233531

12. Dunkirk - Supermarine Spitfire
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunkirk_(2017_film)

13. Top Gun - Grumman F-14 Tomcat
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_F-14_Tomcat
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_Gun

14. Sully: Miracle on the Hudson - Airbus A320-214
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Airways_Flight_1549
“Several major airlines, including American Airlines and British Airways, did not include the movie in their onboard entertainment, since it could upset viewers. Virgin allowed it, "to celebrate the fantastic skills, training and dedication of airline pilots".”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sully_(film)



Film quiz - "Match the aircraft to the film it appears in" edition

Yes of course it's a bit niche, what did you expect :)

Below is a table with the films in one order (Number and film column) and the aircraft (Letter and aircraft) in the wrong order. If you were playing along and printed this out then the middle column (Letter) is where you would write the correct letter depending on which aircraft is the correct one. 

Eg if you thought The Silence of the Lambs featured a Thurston TSC-1A Teal you'd write 'C' there. A clue is that you'd be wrong ;)

Answers in the next post which, once I've written it, will be linked here.

A copy of this table is here in this Google Doc (or if you'd like a plain text version here it is as a .tsv [tab separated variables with which you can recreate a spreadsheet for sharing]), and here's my previous 'Film quiz - logos edition' post.

You are welcome to use this quiz round in your own quizzes, no permission needed. (I'd be amazed if anyone wants to though!)


Match the aircraft to the film it's in

Number and film

Letter

Letter and aircraft

1. The Silence of the Lambs


A. Bell UH-1 Iroquois 'Huey' helicopter

2. Jurassic World 


B. Supermarine Spitfire 

3. The Dam Busters


C. Thurston TSC-1A Teal 

4. Quantum of Solace


D. Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress bomber

5. Apocalypse Now


E. Boeing 707

6. North By Northwest


F.  Douglas DC-3

7. Independence Day


G. Avro Lancaster B.VII

8. Memphis Belle


H. Grumman F-14 Tomcat

9. Mission: Impossible - Rogue Nation


I.  Airbus A320-214

10. Airplane!


J. Boeing-Stearman Model 75

  PT-17 (Kaydet)

11. The Wicker Man


K. Lockheed C-130 ‘Hercules’

12. Dunkirk


L. Airbus Helicopters H130

13. Top Gun


M. Naval Aircraft Factory N3N Canary &
a Boeing-Stearman Model 75 (Kaydet)

14. Sully: Miracle on the Hudson


N. Airbus A400M Atlas